Welcome to the inaugural episode of “Ambition Alcove”! In this episode, host Jacob Reed sits down with Blake Davidson, the founder of Armour Detailing, for an inspiring conversation about entrepreneurship through a Christian lens. Blake shares his incredible journey as an entrepreneur, discussing the challenges and triumphs he’s faced along the way. As a fellow Christian, he opens up about how his faith has influenced his approach to business, shaping his decisions and vision for Ambition Film Company. Together, Blake and Jacob delve into the unique experiences of being Christian entrepreneurs, offering valuable insights and practical advice for listeners who aspire to blend their faith with their entrepreneurial endeavors. Tune in as they share personal stories, discuss the intersection of faith and business, and provide encouragement for those seeking to embark on a similar path. Join us on “Ambition Alcove” as we explore faith, entrepreneurship, and the pursuit of purpose-driven success.
on this episode of ambition alcove we have Blake Davidson he is a friend of mine and he’s a fellow entrepreneur and he has started up a car detailing company and in this episode we talk about uh quite a bit like uh we we talk about quite a lot of things and every time we uh get together and hang out it’s always it’s always a good conversation so um I hope that this episode can provide you with some level of entertainment or knowledge and we’ll go ahead and get started so here we
go all right everybody welcome back to the ambient Alco no I’m just kidding we don’t need um so uh what’s what do you do for yeah we have some little cute voice effects that’s fun I’ve always wanted to be a hamster yeah I don’t know if yours has it um but yeah so I’ve been having fun with that yeah um anyway um whenever you say something cool you can just click that people Applause [Applause] yeah yeah are these actually buttons oh they’re like touch pads yeah it’s just a pad um that’s anyway um yeah can tell you’ve been practicing a lot I thought that would just be kind of a fun thing to show but uh yeah how do you how do you feel overall about being on camera what what is that like is that kind of are you nervous being on camera right now or do you feel like I think I’m more nervous because just of the whole thing in general like we’re getting this is like the first time we’re like going at it you know like I want to make sure we do good and share good stuff and I don’t say anything stupid and uh yeah yeah I don’t like when like when we’re doing um I think it was when you were doing a recording for me or something and and I was like on camera and have to look at the camera that just makes me uncomfortable because I’m like I want to look anywhere else right now but the camera but I got to look at the camera so it’s over there it’s not as bad okay that’s good it’s like we’re just having a conversation kind of absolutely except I can just hear myself weirdly in my ears but we deal yeah okay well um I’m not going to do any like super official intro I think I could probably just do that later um but uh yeah so um I’ll go ahead and introduce you today so today we have Blake on the podcast Blake Davidson and um so why don’t you go ahead and just give us a little background about what you do and who you are well um I how far back do you want me to go um let’s see one day in 1997 no um I mean I’m originally from California I moved to Florida 6 years ago in June um I worked a bunch of different crazy jobs um my wife still makes fun of me for that I’m like she’s like you were all over the place I’m like I was I know I just was trying to figure out what I like to do um but yeah I think in uh 2021 was when I first started like the real step of being an entrepreneur um I was working with my dad at the time and working doing home inspections and bouncing all around and then um I think I came across YouTube actually uh videos of guys detailing and actually having like a legitimate detailing business and I was like that’s kind of cool like I’ve always loved cars like I think I could do that you know and then my dad actually he bought a new truck and he gave me his old truck cuz my car I just sold my car and uh I got in and I’m like is a work truck for like 15 years and so I’m like I’m going to clean this thing and I started cleaning I was like this is cool like this is a different color than it was before and so I just got into detailing and then from there I was like I could do this you know and so when business slowed down with all the stuff I was doing and I wasn’t getting enough work I was like all right this is it I’m going to go for it so January and of that year I started armor detailing and then yeah it’s been two and a half two and a half years since then still going so you’ve been the proud owner of armor detailing for two you said two and a half years yeah two and a half years so um one of the things I actually had on my questions here is um did you was the entrepreneurial process for you to get to where you are now did you always kind of have that desire or did you fall into it because it kind of sounds like you just kind of fell into it and stumbled upon it um so did you always want to own a business or what was that like H uh yeah I think I did it was kind of like you know you and I were talking I don’t know a couple weeks ago and you were saying like when you were young you’re like I just want to own a business you know I don’t know what it means but I just want to do it um I mean my my I grew up in kind of an entrepreneurial home to some degree my mom has been a real estate agent for 25 years is or so so she was always kind of in somewhat self-employed and then my dad you know he had some jobs carpentry stuff but then he started two of his own businesses and so I was just like I had seen it happen around me and go okay this is possible like they’re doing it you know yeah so I think that was definitely a catalyst for for me diving into it um but yeah at the time I wasn’t thinking about it much it was like I had always had ideas you know my roommate and I in college man we were always like what can we do like there’s got to be something we could do to make money and we all had all these ideas and crazy things um so yeah I would say it’s definitely always been a um a desire for me um and I’ve always had that entrepreneurial mindset of wanting to build and wanting to create and wanting to you know make something uh um you know whether out of nothing or change something and you know develop stuff so I’ve always had that um and then it was just I think it definitely the Lord’s timing when when I came across like detailing and was like I could do this and then it would just join together and there we are cool yeah I I think it’s really cool that um you had family that was also kind of in that space because it kind of took the Fear Factor I I mean it sounds like it it wasn’t as big of a it wasn’t as scary because you saw your family kind of doing it and so it wasn’t like um a completely new grounds or anything like that so that that’s that’s cool that’s pretty cool so um awesome Emma’s phone keeps trying to connect to this I was GNA say oh no I hope it didn’t stop recording that’s why we have that that’s our backup good yeah okay cool um sorry I just got a phone call and someone’s calling me but um I’m I’m getting used to I’m getting used to the whole podcast thing as well literally episode one so that’s good it’s much less um nerve-wracking or script you know it’s not you hear podcast you’re like man they got that all right and it’s like no right you can can play around with it yeah so
um yeah so okay yeah so let’s talk about this what was it like when you started uh armor detailing what was that process like starting up was was it um like you already had family who have been entrepreneurs so you know I guess that could that helped kind of push that but it can still be scary you know so what what was it like when you started up and were you scared or like kind of walk us through that I’m still scared sometimes on a weekly basis um yeah yeah no it was uh Scrappy to say the least um I you know I I once I had gotten into it and realized okay this is a thing and I started I mean I was watching YouTube videos like crazy just trying to learn the process and procedure and the business side of it and all that um and I’d see all these guys that had you know massive trailers or Vans and huge detail shops and I’m like dude that’s so sick I want to do that one day um but all I had was an 04 Nissan Titan um with the the with the good old Nissan rust Stripes over the hood and um and that was it and so I was like all right and so I got some HDX bins from Home Depot and put all my detail stuff in there and and I yanked the back seats out and I was literally like and I got some magnets that said armor detailing and some other my phone number whatever and stuck them on the side and like that you know that was the start of it um I actually had a a buddy of mine um and he and his wife had a detailing company at one point they were doing a lot more boats and stuff um and so before I had really like decided okay this is what I’m going to do I called him and I messaged him or whatever and I was like hey this is what I’m thinking about doing what you do you think and he text me back and was like dude it’s a great industry like it’s a good way to make money you could do it you can you know all this stuff and since he had moved on to to becoming a firefighter he had all his detail stuff and so he’s like hey you can use all my all the stuff I have until you get your own and like that’s what got me started because I I wasn’t making much money at the time and I was like man I don’t have this like extra $500 to $1,000 to buy a bunch of equipment and chemicals and everything um so he gave me this like old electric pressure washer that would like constantly turn on and off whenever it wanted to and just like all this stuff but it was awesome because it was it’s what got me started actually doing it and learning the process um and then from there it was just a matter of trial and error I mean so when you started did you ever have anybody who was advising you not to pursue that or did you have anybody who was like against entra like the entrepreneurial mindset or anything like that cuz uh my age like I talked to a lot of friends my age and um it seems like a there there’s a lot of voices that are always kind of pushing them to you know have some kind of security or um like one of my friends I won’t name them but their parents are like oh you should get a job for the county you know because it’s safe and uh economy proof and d and it’s like you know so did you ever have any of that of people kind of trying to guide your steps I guess in a a different direction or or advise you against not really um I mean no I don’t think so because because I grew up in that like my parents were very supportive um you know they were obviously like okay practically what does this look like how you going to do it whatever but like they were they were very supportive of me starting um I mean I detailed most of my family’s cars to start for practice and everything too um and I think to some degree because of my personality I had in some way surrounded myself with people that were at least if they weren’t similar-minded they were at least nice and you know kind enough people to not be like don’t do that but I know I’ve heard plenty of stories of people who have you know opposition even in their own family and it’s tough because that’s you know as an entrepreneur especially when you have something that you want to do like when you have people that are like hey don’t do it cuz here’s all the right reasons why not to it’s like oh crap maybe I shouldn’t do it yeah so um I’m thinking of a couple questions here um one thing that I was curious to know your thoughts on cuz I asked a couple of other people this and um I’m just kind of curious to see what people’s opinion on this is so do you think it’s important do you think it’s a vital thing to in order to own a business or be an entrepreneur do you think you have to have like really good Charisma or be very charismatic like how how much of your personality oops I don’t want to how much your personality uh affects like the business side of things you know because um I have some some uh friends who are they don’t want to go into any business or anything like that because they don’t feel like they have like the right personality for it and I’m just curious to know your your thoughts on that that’s a tough one um I don’t think you have to be some super outgoing person I mean you know you and I both have that you know that aspect of us where we’re like I’ll talk to anybody we’ll you know try new things all that kind of stuff um but in the day and age that we live in especially with technology I mean you can start a business and never actually legitimately face Toof face talk to a customer and sell products and do different things so there’s so many avenues that I don’t I really don’t think that it it’s necessarily A personality thing as far as um introvert extrovert as much as it is a um a desire to add value to create to build something to grow I mean and you’re going to be stretched that’s just the nature of Entrepreneurship if you’re not willing to be stretched you’re you’re going to snap and you’re going to go back to what’s comfortable cuz business is not comfortable no absolutely not absolutely not um and so earlier you’re talking about um you had somebody who who gave you a bunch of gear and stuff to get started it kind of made me think about like mentors um do you think that is like a kind of like a key thing into starting a business is is finding a mentor somebody to kind of coach you through or what do you think about that and then also there’s the two-part question have you ever had somebody who was acting as a mentor um and maybe you don’t have to answer it like that but I feel like I’ve experienced this where I’ll have like a mentor who will like try to Mentor but they Mentor what has worked for them and they’re very like opposed to different things that they have experience so like for instance if I have an idea they might think it’s like a bad idea because it’s like they’ll basically try and make you follow their path yeah you know so um yeah so do you uh what’s your opinion on all that yeah no it’s funny you say that cuz um I was just I was just listening to something the other day um I think it was Alex her Moi actually and he was you know saying that how he had talked to Grant Cardone one time and Grant Cardone was like yeah no no you need to do this like by that’s building all this stuff and he was like yeah no that’s great advice for him because that’s what he does but if I do that with my skill set I don’t know the the first thing about running and building and doing all this and all stuff so he’s like it’s great advice for him but not for me because I don’t have that skill set I’m I’m not that type of a business guy so yeah yeah you’re right and I think that’s part of um the hard part on the uh the mentor side is figuring out you know what advice to give and when to just say figure it out yourself here the best I can give you but yeah um as far as uh as mentors go um I would say a lot of it it’s funny because it wasn’t like direct mentorship and I think this is where um a lot of people when they hear this word that they they think oh man now I got to go like knock on someone’s door or call some you know really really successful person and be like please tell me everything like I don’t think it’s always like that because I I feel like I had a lot of mentorship a lot of guidance and I didn’t know a single one of them because I was learning from people’s videos podcasts books I mean and every way that I could I was trying to learn and grow and develop and figure out okay I got to run this business I got to get more customers I got to learn more skills I got to find out what product works all this stuff and through all of that I was learning from people I was in some way being mentored by people who had done it better than me you know I was watching these guys that had you know $2 million detail shops and were doing crazy cars and all stuff and yeah I was doing Honda Civics but like it it’s still I could take something from it so I think there’s something for mentorship in that in that realm um that some people think it has to be some like you know Apprentice apprenti thing where they got to like you know go to lunch every week um so I think that’s that aspect of it but um I I would say recently where I’m at um you know my wife and I we run the business together um and we started to change some things we started to grow I mean we’ve we’ve taken on a franchise on top of our our detailing business and so many things have happened and in a lot of that it’s getting like we talked about earlier it’s getting scarier every every day every week there’s something that’s you know nerve-wracking and in that I’ve started to to Really find people around me and realize oh there is a lot of people around me that are way further ahead of me and just the other day I reached out to to a friend from church who’s who’s you know he’s much older than me but he’s had multiple businesses some even in my industry and I just called him and I was like hey would you mind talking like I just have some questions and he called me and we talked for like 45 minutes while I was working and he was just asking me questions and giving me advice and helping me through what he did when he was in my shoes and all that stuff so there’s definitely something to be said for that because it’s it’s very helpful especially on that personal level when somebody’s really pouring into you because you know from that aspect he’s not just telling me hey you should do this this and this he’s also encouraging saying no you got this like I can see the potential in you guys where you are and like how far you can go it’s really awesome so that helps I was actually I just had this thought I think um at least in my experience and it sounds almost similar to you I think where I feel like uh mentorship is really good uh especially at like transitional phases you know like if you’re transitioning from your day job into a business great time to have a mentor you know somebody to kind of walk you through and then if you’re kind of entering a new um stage of the of your business I think that’s also a really good time to have a mentor um and I in my experience like I’ve had people who have helped me along the way but I do find that um you know over time you can kind of I guess you could say like I don’t know it hurts to say but like kind of outgrow certain mentors you know where like you you’re at a point where like they helped you get through that transitional phase yeah and now you’re kind of on your own path and um that’s just something i’ I’ve experienced that I thought was interesting and I I think it’s really cool though as well that we have like YouTube and all these other platforms where we can kind of um have access to these digital mentors that you know nobody had however many years ago before the internet you know exactly so uh that’s super cool but there’s also another side to that where I would watch these videos and I would try and take this knowledge and apply it um but it’s like these guys are at completely different scales you know like uh Alex Sosi like I I listen to a lot of him and um he classifies a small business as a $1 million a year uh profit yeah that’s like he’s like yeah that’s small business I’m like well what like where’s then where am I yeah so it’s like I wish this is actually something I wish currently is like I wish there was something out there for like the zero to million doll kind of place you know I feel like there’s a lot less um a lot less information about that process a lot I hear a lot of people though say Z to 100 or Z to a million is is more like just a matter of like hard work I guess and then post that it’s then it gets more technical I guess but I don’t know I um that’s something I’ve been I’ve been thinking about and um yeah sometimes I I I really ponder that and you know um but yeah so something else I I thought we should talk about is um you know like uh mindset uh so do is there any specific kind of uh mindset mindsets that you believe people should have to um get into a business like if somebody was you know approaching you talking about how they wanted to start a business is there a kind of like a mindset that you feel like goes along with that
hm there definitely has to be uh a drive of some form um and a desire to create um I I was listening to I think Nick Bear’s podcast um and one it was one he did a long time ago but um they were talking about the difference between somebody who starts a business because I want to be my own boss and the difference and and somebody who starts a business because you know I have an idea and I know it’s going to work or I want to create something I want to I want to add value in the marketplace I want to change something about the industry or my city or the world you know there there’s there’s no goal that’s really too big you know there’s there’s obviously starting points that are much smaller um but somebody with a real goal that’s like hey I’m going to go out and I want to create something I’m going to build something um and it’s going to affect and change lives really is what it comes down to so there’s that there’s that you know know uh that difference there and I think that’s really a pivotal point because if you start a business because you’re like I’m just going to be My Own Boss well guess what you realize being Your Own Boss kind of sucks sucks so bad it’s the worst exactly you quit your 9 to5 to work 24/7 exactly yes and that’s the thing people are like oh I don’t want to work and then you realize you’re literally working all the time oh it’s awful I mean it’s awful but I love it yeah exactly well that’s the M that’s the difference where it’s like I love it because I’m doing something I’m cre I’m building something and I’m we’re going to go far with it um but but if you’re in that mindset you’re like I’m just going to be My Own Boss then you realize you got to Be Your Own Boss you got to be your own employee you got to be your own accountant you got to be your own you know janitor you got to be everything yeah and it’s like and then you have to mess up at every single one of suck at it too and then figure out how you know yeah so you’re not you’re not just learning your job you’re not just learning how to be the boss you’re learning how to do everything yeah um so it’s it’s much harder um so that’s where that that mindset shift of no I’m not just going to go to Just To Be My Own Boss like create my own I’m going because a purpose this is I’m to do and you know and not just for your not just for the personal gain of just oh cool I’m going to go make a bunch of money you know I think that’s where a lot of these these influencers or these even big business people that that are very successful yeah you know everybody follows him and it’s like sweet how do you get a yacht and it’s like well guess what there’s a lot of crap you got to go through to get to that point and you’re probably not willing to make it if that’s your goal yeah and that just makes me also think about how uh dangerous and dishonest social media is um especially when you get into like comparison because um I’ve seen a handful of people out there who are like flexing their car or whatever and it’s like a rental it’s not even theirs you know um and it’s sad because I actually see a lot of people fall for this crap where um they’ll like start fall like there’s all these like get rich quick that’s the one thing that sucks um about the internet it’s like it’s so good it’s so awesome cuz you can find like some really good information out there and some really good people to follow but there’s also like a lot of people that you have to go through y to find this like there’s all these um get rich quick things and um people get really like I’ve had certain people like uh see those and then come up to me and they’re like oh I want to do this I’m like what are you what are you talking about what no it’s like so obviously not real um but yeah um but it something I’ve been experiencing lately is I actually I genuinely dislike I have a dislike for social media we already talked about this U but I I dislike social media but it’s so weird because in order to have a business the the best way to grow your business is uh through social media it’s like it’s like this weird um this this weird thing where otomy of differences there yeah it’s it’s just it’s interesting cuz it’s like the thing that I dislike the most is also the most productive thing to grow the business and if you have like a message there’s the only way to get that message across is through social media yeah um and it’s it’s such a it’s a yeah it’s it’s a tough situ I know I’m very thankful for my wife because I don’t have any social media she handles the business stuff um but but yeah it’s like you said it really is a dichotomy because it’s so it’s so awful it’s like the the comparison that it breeds and the the fomo and the time wasting and it just sucks people in and and I think that’s a good probably a big reason why so many people don’t start a business is because of the habits that social media breeds in you absolutely you sit there in scroll for hours and hours and hours and hours you could yeah and it’s just like you’re you’re you could have taken that time done something you have this idea you say they have this idea well go do something about it don’t waste 4 and a half 7even hours whatever it is on a day scrolling and wasting your time looking at what everybody else is doing you know you follow all these people all these business people it’s like if you would spend the time actually doing business stuff you’d be closer to where you want to get you know um so it’s yeah but again it’s it’s one of those things that you kind of have to have in this day and age when you want to run a business and you want to get out there yeah it’s it’s a really really interesting thing you know cuz I I personally would love to just not have social media at all but you know we have to have it and um it’s it’s crazy cuz I mean it’s it’s like it’s like both extreme it’s like every extreme and in the middle you know like you have like it’s the worst thing but it’s also like the best thing and it’s also just like kind of there in the middle as well because like you can find some really on the on the positive end of social media you can find some like really good um advice or people to follow like mentors you know whether it’s like spiritual business mindset whatever there’s that side of it and then there’s the uh really bad side of it where you get stuck in comparison and uh just like you know and and then in the middle you know there’s just genuine um entertainment which I don’t think it’s bad you know you know so it’s uh I know that’s that’s that’s my wife she’s like but I find really good recipes on there I’m like I know that I can’t argue with that but unfortunately there’s so much garbage that goes along with it you know yeah so I don’t know I think that’s going to be an interesting thing that um people I included explore moving forward like I’m really curious to know um what that’s going to be like in the future I almost wonder if somebody at some point might just create like a social media platform that’s like kind of specifically for like the good end of social media where it’s not all comparison and bikini pics and whatnot and U and then and then um you know so I I don’t know maybe that’s an idea for somebody out there who wants to start a a business pleas please do I will yeah I will definitely be on board for that um but ear you just said so uh you’re were talking about how people might have like these ideas and things like that but they just get stuck scrolling which um you know so I actually was curious about this because I’ve had a lot of lost ideas where I’ve had all these ideas and they just get lost because I don’t act on them and it wasn’t necessarily directly correlated to social media scrolling uh but they’re just kind of it it’s more just the the me not taking action just like in action just having an idea and then letting it sit there or overthinking it and uh so I’m curious um was armor detailing was that like one of your first business ideas or have you had like multiple the past that just kind of got lost in the the idea Bowl um there’s I think there’s probably a lot in the idea Bowl um and there’s a lot in the um half-hearted attempt Bowl um yeah yeah no I think I had uh I counted at one point it’s hard for me to remember right now I think I’ve had like four or six businesses before that so you’ve had you’ve attempted for exactly attempt so you have acted on it okay that’s that’s cool though cuz it shows um it’s kind of like that the people think that their first business is going to be the the one that takes off when yeah exactly and I’ve even had uh one or two since then you know that that have failed too um and for me it’s not um it’s it’s not like heartbreaking you know it’s like we tried something and like my wife and I like whatever it was a 7 eight months ago you know we had an idea we’re like let’s let’s go for it and so you’re talking about the bounce house and we went for it you know and and it was it was mostly her idea and I’m like all right let’s do it you know and and let’s go for it and so we we got everything going we started we got the business we you know got the social media we got the website we we started doing it everything um and and it was one of those things where it just um it fell flat and part of that was because of our lack of attention to it because we had one and I think at that point probably two other businesses um and you know for us we finally realized Iz okay this is one of those things where we totally got ahead of the Lord you know we didn’t we didn’t go all right Lord what do you want us to do with this and and wait to hear the answer we were like yeah we could do this let’s that’s extra income it’s easy it’s quick it we all this justification we went for it and in the in the spiritual sense yes I guess I technically I kind of regret that the fact that I was like man I should have waited it would have cost me a lot less money to just wait but in the sense of Entrepreneurship I I don’t regret it because it’s one of those things again it’s it’s a it was learning there’s no there’s it’s hard to say this with 100% confidence but I would say to some degree there’s no failure in entrepreneurship there’s only learning you know I would definitely agree with that yeah I mean cu cu you and I have both failed according to the world thousands of times in the last few years but every single one of those failed failed experiences was a learning experience MH I mean it’s it happened to me recently too and it’s just like oh wow well learned a lot from that you know hired a guy and it didn’t work out and and it was a month later and we were like man we shouldn’t have done that but it was like oh but we learned a lot yeah learned through the process yeah there’s also that saying you know where um you learned 10 times more from your failures than you do your successes which I totally agree it just sucks I just wish it wasn’t true it sucks but it’s just the reality um but so in our conversation I was kind of thinking about this so there’s guys like Alex heroi and guys like um what’s his name uh Mr Wonderful from Shark Tank um
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Cuban he’s the only Shar tank I could get in my head the only one not Mar cubin um but I guess you could Kevin uh yeah o yeah Kevin o so I watched a thing of Kevin or and um I don’t know if this is kind of like his business philosophy but um I heard him he’s kind of talking about like you know knowing when to take an I uh take a business and take it out back and just put it down you know um and so I it was making me think cuz Alex Ros is very opposite um I I think I mean there’s obviously a lot of variables that play into things um but I’ve I hear people talk about starting like a bunch of different businesses and just kind of finding one that takes off and then there’s also the side of it to where like someone like Alex rosi he kind of preaches uh stick with one be do he’s like do one thing as long as you like as long and as good as you can yeah just keep it he says it’s a long game not a short game so the goal in starting a business is how long can I keep this going not how much money can I make but how long can I keep this business open and going and um and then you know once you get to a certain point in your business where you are making whatever you can kind of like explore other ideas but um I was just thinking about that you know um you know what kind of what’s a better kind of Avenue um you know cuz I guess there’s some people who just like business and they so that might be why they start many but uh you know I was listening to Jordan Peterson the other day I surpr surprise yeah I promise I’m not just rambling and going nowhere there’s I’m I’m bringing this to a point um because it brings up what I’m about to say it kind of brings up this like interesting kind of scale where it’s like so Jordan Pearson was saying that people should pursue uh meaning you know like you should pursue something meaningful like if you’re starting a business like uh do something that you genuinely feel like is going to affect that Community or like make some kind of difference like do something that you really feel like is is uh bettering Society you know and then there’s also um you know some people who do business where they just um it’s not like bad or anything like that but they their business they might be good and successful at it but they might not be like um I don’t know like super passionate about it or they might not feel like it’s bettering the society you know so um yeah I don’t know that’s just kind of a thought that I had do you have any insight or any opinions on that like um well back to the the Alex rosi thing you know that’s that’s one thing um like I said I’ve been listened to a little bit more of them recently and it’s it’s challenging because I currently own two businesses and so every time I listen to him and he gives me all these reasons why he’s like just do one do it well do it I’m like oh man um and and I’ll tell you like it’s it’s been a um it’s been a a struggle for me recently trying to figure that balance out you know because we you know we’ve had armor detailing for 2 and a half years a little over and then you know the beginning of this year we took on restore fxs um and so that for me has been a hard part because it’s like man I know the potential of restore effects there’s there’s 250 centers in North America and they’re doing really well so I know the potential and I know in a lot of ways it’s more potential than I can get when I’m detailing so I’m trying to balance this thing in my head of going oh is detailing just a uh you know I told Rachel this the other day I’m like is detailing just turning into a crutch to keep kind of like just hobbling along and if I was to just ditch it and go full full boore with restore effects I could do so much more and go further um you know so I’m balancing that but then at the same time you know we they’re in the same industry they’re very very close they play off of each other so I’m I’m trying to find that balance um and we’re we’re good at what we do in detailing we built that reputation we built that skill set over years so I don’t want to just throw it away you know so that is that’s a tough tough spot to to be in but in even in that I understand what alexos says because and from some of the stories he gives it makes total sense because when your attention is divided it’s it’s not the most effective um you know and I and I see it I see it a lot of times I’m like man if I would have spent the same am if if I would have spent all of my time this week just devoted to restore effects yeah I would have done I would have probably gotten more out of it than had I been kind of bouncing shifting back and forth my mind’s on both it’s you know a divided attent so it is tough but um but it is doable and I think to some degree you know there’s truth to like what you said that trying a lot of different things um and figuring out what what works what you’re good at and um you know I think where we’re at is is a pretty good place too like I said it’s not like we have you know an ice cream shop and a detailing comp like you know restor fun it’s funny you say that because I know somebody who owns a barber shop and an ice cream shop me too that’s funny I didn’t think of that yeah um but yeah so because restore f is permanent clear coat restoration for vehicles and you know and ceramic Coatings and then detailing is obviously Vehicles as well so they they really do play off each other well that is a tough one because it’s not like they’re different things you know it’s not like CH like you were just saying like your point exactly it’s like you’re not choosing between you know card detailing and the ice cream shop like these are the both of the businesses are like very similar so I mean that’s from my perspective I I figured it it was a good balance but there is always that kind of question of like you know what would happen you know it’s it’s it’s such a tough place to be and I go back and forth like every week Rachel’s she get so fresher with me because I’m like all right we’re just going to we’re going to ditch this one and she’s like no no no what do you mean and then the next week I’m like we could totally do both you know and I I don’t know if that’s the entrepreneur in me or if that’s just the decision in me I don’t know but I don’t know I feel like I’m pretty indecisive maybe it’s an entrepreneur thing maybe it is but it’s also I know some people who said that uh the less indecisive you are the typically the more successful the yeah it’s like it’s almost like the less agreeable you are and the less indecisive you are I feel like those are like two good attributes to be like successful in terms of like monetary value and owning like a business it’s like you know because if you can make decisions and then um not you know the uh what’s the word I used um agreeable yeah if you can make decisions and be less agreeable you know like you can say no when you need to yeah and um make decisions instead of pondering them forever like I do I’ll ponder a decision for my whole life you know so that’s um no it’s good and and on that point um the something that I’ve heard recently a couple times and I’ve really started to think about and I think it’s huge for entrepreneurship is the ability to say no yeah totally because as entrepreneurs we want to say yes to everything you know I have shiny object syndrome all the time and I’m like and this is partially why I started another business that I shouldn’t have and you know and Rachel will tell you I have ideas all the time and I’m like we could she’s like no like we don’t have when time and money are you going to spend on that I’m like yeah no you’re right um so she balances me out um but yeah learning to say no because and there there’s this is that dichotomy there’s so many of them in business because you have to learn how to say no to the right things um I think it was Steve Jobs said you know somebody asked him what are you most proud of about Apple and he said I’m I’m as um proud about the things we don’t do as the things that we do do with apple um and so and and I think it was Warren Buffett who said you know they asked him how do you make decisions and he said um something along the lines of basically I say no 99 times and I say yes to the right one so it’s it’s a game of NOS not yeses um and that’s a hard thing to learn because we always want to say yes but I think the dichotomy is in in the beginning stage in some form or fashion you really do have to say yes to most everything because you’re building you’re growing you’re learning I agree and you know you and I have talked about this before where it’s like you say yes and you go why the heck did I do that why did I just say yes that I don’t even know how to do that yeah um and then you figure it out and you learn and then you go oh crap no I can do that and then the next time somebody asks you have confidence and you have another you know service to offer or skill set know or something like that you know I I think one of the most important things in people’s um um growing like when they’re starting the a business or being an entrepreneur is uh the the fake it till you make it thing y I think that’s a a huge thing you know um like in the beginning I was people sometimes people would ask me to do certain things and um they’ be like yeah can you do this kind of video for me and I’d be like oh absolutely yeah easy easy and I’m like crap now I got to learn how to do you know but it’s great because it actually led to me learning that and now that that becomes a part of you know I do that now you only have to do it once for it to be something that you like now do yeah you know um so and that’s the scary part of Entrepreneurship that’s what it goes back to it’s like if you get to the if you do it just because you want to Be Your Own Boss or just because you you know you’re just like I’m just going to well we’ll see how it goes like you’re going to get to those points and people are going to hey can you do this you’re going to be like uh no no I can’t and they’re going to go find somebody else that’s either going to already know how to do it or somebody like you and I who are going to say yeah we can do that and we’re going to figure it out and and to some degree you might you might just fall flat on your face that first time around but um that’s part of the learning process too I mean there’s embarrassing moments there’s hard moments there’s just really terrifying moments especially when you’re doing like big jobs and you’re like oh my gosh I don’t know how to do this now I got to learn and I also got to act like I know how to do this that’s that’s the biggest thing it’s like there’s this one time I was I was on a shoot and this is like like in the beginning and uh I was like on a shoot I’m like holy crap like I really hope I look like I’m not clueless fiddling with my camera like how does this work yeah exactly you’re like oh just I’m just changing settings here no big deal dud that like that literally actually happened to me so uh this is a fun story of like pre ambition film company this is actually I think this might be right before I actually came up with the name or right after it was like very beginning um somebody called me they wanted uh to do like some social media marketing and they and they wanted these videos and um and I was on the phone I was trying to I was trying so hard to sound like I like I know what I’m talking about that was the in the beginning the hardest thing for me was quoting people especially when they ask on the phone like I wouldn’t know how to handle that question for some reason yeah um but anyway um I ended up quoting them I think I them on the phone I don’t remember it was a long time ago but um I actually I didn’t have like any equipment oh I was just going to say I want you to tell the story yes well so there’s actually two examples of this story but cuz like there uh I didn’t have any equipment at the time and so um she what what she did is she saw a video that I made for uh my father-in-law’s landscaping company so that’s how she found it she actually liked what she saw but I that’s all all I had was like the camera you know and um I didn’t have uh the equipment to do kind of specifically what she was wanting me to do and so um I had her pay everything up front I was like yeah you know it’s this price oh yeah we just typically just required it all right now and I and she paid me and then immediately I had no money because I I I took that money and I bought all the equipment I needed instantly so I I I I pretty much did the job for the equipment and I’m like like the equipment came the day before we were supposed to film and so I’m literally sitting waiting around trying to figure it out yeah I’m at the shoot I’m like it was I bought my first Gimbal and I’m like filling with this gimbal I’m like how the heck and they’re just like waiting for me to like start filming like yeah just want I got to you know I’m like literally figuring this out it’s broken I don’t know what to like oh this stupid thing does this all the time it’s like my first time touching it but I mean that was that was one example uh there’s two instances in the beginning where I had something like that there’s another time where um somebody wanted to do like this really long form kind of Doc style edit and um you know I I don’t know if I should tell this one I think that means you should well because it’s like it was like I don’t know if it’s like a premature story to tell I don’t I feel like this is something you should I should tell like when I’m like anyway when you’re really really famous or something right I don’t know so you can always take it out I there is that okay so I’ll I’ll go ahead and just share but they they wanted this long form content and um I I don’t know what got into me but like I would charge people when I first started like I tried to sound like I was knowing what I was doing but I also charged like I really knew what I was doing and so I won’t say the specific number I I may tell you after but I charged this person to do this video um like a lot of money and um to do the the style shoot that they wanted I didn’t have any of the equipment that I needed and that’s kind of why I charged her what I did cuz I was like I literally charged her what it would cost me to get all the year so I was like we’re going to need a light I’m going to need uh this camera this lens so I charged her a lot and to my surprise they’re like okay and I was like what I’m like you say to that and um dude it was like it was really good for me because it it literally got me started um I that’s like that one shoot uh well actually it was like those two shoots I just said like those two shoots are like what got me going um and uh yeah it was really good for me in the sense that it got me situated gear wise like I had everything I needed but it also was really bad for me because my head was the size of this light that’s above us which nobody can see but if they could see it it was like my head was so big um but you know uh I I got humbled business does that to you yeah it will so it uh yeah so that was just kind of a fun story I’m sure a lot of people have others your uh Channel 2 um if it’s really loud you also have a thing on your headset where you can adjust it um but I would just keep it all the way up oh on here yeah on there I’d keep it all the way up um um and then I think this is also can you hear me yeah oh okay I just turned you down oh you can’t hear me no it’s not you it’s just it was yeah just loud so any that’s better yeah so I feel like I’ve heard other stories of people uh talking about stuff like that and um the stories are really fun I think they’re they’re I think it’s nice to see how far um how far I’ve come and how far you know uh but yeah that was that’s one of my favorite stories about that’s a good one yeah um do you have any stories like that in the beginning where you you kind of had a situation like that where
you ASMR today yeah my water going down my throat so everybody wants to hear yeah there’s none that like come to mind but I just think of like my first um I’m really trying to think of a good one there’s so many you’re still doing it yesterday actually um no I mean I just think of my first few few times like detailing like oh man it’s just not knowing what to do having the jankiest equipment I remember okay so my first detail this isn’t like as bad as yours but um no my first my first detail was uh a guy actually knew from church um had a a C63 AMG Mercedes and uh I didn’t even have like I I didn’t even think I had a truck at that point I mean so he literally came to my house um thankfully I kind of knew him he was actually like from Saudi Arabia so he didn’t speak a whole lot of English um he came to my house and just sat on my couch while I detailed his car in my driveway wait he sat on your couch he went in my living room was his waiting room um he literally sat on my couch while I detailed his car did he make himself some food too I don’t know Rachel was in there and I think maybe she gave him like some bread or I don’t know that’s top level customer service right come into my house um yeah so he literally sat there um and I had that janky pressure washer that I told you I borrowed from my friend um didn’t have a vacuum at this point so I literally had my home vacuum that’s got like you know like the fold down like floor one but it’s also got like the pull out little wand what kind of vacuum yeah no it’s like a Bissell or something I don’t know but it’s so it’s got like the little you know normal like vacuum like you push around on the ground and you pull it out of but then you yeah like the hose comes out and you got this little nozle one the traditional exactly I know that weird um but I was because I was using that to detail his car my my home vacuum in my driveway with a little nozzle it would have been better if you actually had it plugged in just like push it over his carpet so I literally was using that um yeah man I don’t know what else I was doing but um I did actually launched the pressure washer tip into his windshield no yeah did it break scared the crap out of me no it didn’t break okay I think it I think the plastic part hit it but it was like the little tip that goes a nozzle and I go up it’s like Bo and it just bounces off his windshield and I had to like look back to make sure he wasn’t looking at me and it was terrifying I’m like here I am charging like nothing for this detail and I’m going to have to pay for a Mercedes windshield that’s so relable go relatable okay that’s hilarious cuz I’m just thinking of like what could have been like literally you could have broken this dude’s freaking
windshield on a Mercedes it would have cost me like all my equipment money and everything oh my gosh wow that’s hilarious that’s awesome I love I love those uh stories from from the beginning I had another one I’m trying to think oh yeah so uh in the beginning oh I also want to make a note of this
um just one quick real quick I’m making notes of questions that I have so I don’t forget because I’m really good at forgetting stuff but uh yeah so back in the beginning so obviously I I do and um in the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth no I’m so uh in the beginning I for a long time uh man I have a lot of great like fre like Jank like like if people knew what I like the operation I was running you got a great front but uh yeah I a great yeah it’s you know it’s really good because me and the team will get working on that absolutely absolutely I was really big on that I would say we my team literally just me oh yeah um now I do have a team yeah I do have a team now uh I’m not going to say how many people we have on our team we do have a team or how you
related um anyway uh in the beginning I would you know I needed to edit and um because that’s like a part of video production is having to edit and there was this hack that I would do to Final Cut Pro I was using the trial version of Final Cut Pro for like a substantial part of my professional career as a video editor like I was using it for a long time yeah like so there’s this thing where you can do the trial version of Final Cut Pro and um it it’s available for 90 days or 30 days whatever the day is and uh so what I would have to do is after the trial was over I would have to uh change the date on my computer to be the date when it was the thing was the trial was active start the program and then change the date back and so I was doing that forever uh but the editing software is like 300 bucks so I was like I just didn’t want to do that I’m like it’s free like why would I do that you know um so that’s another kind of fun story I was also doing that on my dinosaur of a computer I actually still have it I don’t know if I should go get it and show everybody I have one too I have a Macbook from 09 mine dude that’s older than mine big and it weighs like 12 lb mine weighs like 12 lb too if if I unplug it from the charger in about 12 seconds it just dies yeah yeah I should I I feel like it would be fun to set my old one right here and just like start it up and then talk by the time we’re done it might might have been started but um yeah and so I actually used my um at one point I used my girlfriend’s computer for my business which is who is now my wife wife um and worked out it yeah it did I I used her computer to edit my videos for a long time and um yeah you know I we you gota sometimes in the beginning to make things work it’s it’s work you got to be creative do some weird stuff you know hack Final Cut Pro Apple don’t sue me um I don’t I mean I don’t know why they would sue me I got they got trillions of bucks so anyway um but yeah I I think those stories are are really fun like the you know the all the little things you had to do to to get by now it’s great you know I’ve got um a lot of computers and they’re new yeah exactly and and I I finally bought P Cut Pro dude good job see yeah so it’s it’s good um so anyway that some fun conversation um but I I want to backtrack a little bit to what we were talking about earlier um well actually I guess we could talk about this first uh so there’s when I started I I uh we were talking about like kind of mentorship and things like that um I started I bought this course called full-time filmmaker and it really helped me like get going um and start kind of like understand the basics of of video and things like that and so uh two-parter question first question do you think online courses are good and secondly if if so how do you avoid choosing a bad a bad one have you have you ever taken an online course you have okay yeah yeah I’ve spent my fair share of thousands on courses um and do I think they’re good yes um I think there there’s a lot of value in them um and I think that value uh so it goes back to what we were talking about earlier and and I didn’t say this but we were talking about something that made me think about it and it was um I think it was Jim ran who said that um is not power it’s a potential for power um you know we everybody thinks like oh the more knowledge I have the more I can do and the more money I can make it’s like no that’s not true cuz most people just keep it up in their head and they don’t do anything with it and it’s useless you know you have to act exactly you end up like you were with that you know head the size of this this light up here and nothing to do so um the in order to they are so I’ll say they’re effective but only if you apply them um and that’s the hardest part um because it’s it’s very justifying feeling to go okay cool I just spent $400 on this course now I got this you know what’s also interesting I feel like this is something that I don’t know if this is something that I’ve had experienced with or like I don’t know if it’s just me or other people have this but like I have I’ll almost like do a course learn a bunch of stuff and then like be like satisfied like oh I I did so much yeah and I’m like I’m good yeah exactly that’s the Trap yeah um and it one thing I’ve also learned about uh courses and things like that I feel like some people get too Coury yeah like no it’s true I mean you can go you can go education broke absolutely and just spend all your money on courses thinking they’re going to do something for you but they’re not you have to do it and I think that’s why you know some people go oh well if you if you had all that information why would you give away those secrets I think it’s because in some way they know that 90% of the people who pay for this course and give them money are never going to actually apply it so it’s not like they’re creating a bunch of competitors out there because only a handful of people are actually going to go do it and typically when people have those courses they’re at a at a place where it’s not really a too big of a risk but I I have heard that before and um off off track a little bit um I I I was watching Alex rosi and he gives a lot of his stuff away for free and I was like what is this guy why is he doing that skeptical for a minute yeah cuz it was like really good stuff and I’m like I mean it sounds good is it am I getting tricked right now well he later on like kind of described that um he kind of he gave a lot of his stuff away for free to build trust like he would give away good advice to establish a a trust with his audience and then that is what’s going to forward those people to buy whatever product he sells you know he’s like give value up front yeah and then then they’ll feel like they owe you not that you know that’s the you know but yeah no and and it’s funny because I was literally just listening to on on his podcast he’s got his uh book $100 million leads and he literally has the audio book on podcast on Spotify for free and so I’ve been listening to it on my runs in the morning and stuff and it’s crazy because I was literally just listening to this the other day and I start I got home and I told Rachel I’m like all right um that same thing it’s like you know the the the social media um uh model is you know um I think what is it one one uh ad for every three or four posts you know and he was like well that’s because they’re not trying to grow they’re trying to make as much money from Their audience as they can but a but a platform or a person or a business or something that’s trying to grow it should be give give give give give give give give give then ask not give give ask because all you’re you’re going to get people that are going to go okay why are you you’re already asking me for money like you haven’t done anything for me you haven’t provided any value you haven’t shown me what you can do um and so I took that and I was like okay how do I apply this and I was like okay well what if we you know we do giveaways you know and I and I brought it back to um you know was like okay we tithe 10% of our income you know it’s biblical it’s still for it’s still for today it’s truth it’s God’s word and that’s what we do and we stand on that promise and I was like okay well if I tithe my income what what would happen if I just start tithing details you know let’s say let’s say roughly we do 40 details a month okay two a day whatever what if I just tithed and I just gave away four details a month you know one a week we just do a free detail for somebody yeah I was like how much more is that going to come back because people go nobody else is doing this you know and I told Rachel I said why don’t we just start posting it on on ver Beach neighborhood Facebook Market what or you know some kind of social media but post it in a way where it’s like hey we’re going to give away this detail to anybody all you got to do is just comment don’t not like hey comment tag three friends follow me on this and then do this
tag someone and you know give me your email Social Security and then we’ll and then we’ll maybe give you something yeah maybe and then we’re going to spam you with with you know emails for the next two years cuz you’re going to forget to unsubscribe EXA it happens all the time and so I was like man if like you said it not necessarily trying to instill the obligation for somebody to get give back to me but in the sense where like Alex was saying um you know if you’re always giving it makes people uncomfortable because they go man now they feel like I’m always taking how can I give back to this guy you know and the same thing I’ve been I’ve been consuming his free content and his book and it’s like man there’s so much stuff that’s helped and then in there he’s like hey I took two years to make this book can you take two minutes and just like leave me a review it really helps yeah and after so much I’ve got I’m like dang bro yeah I could do that for you like you know versus is somebody who’s like hey this is you know come buy my book and then please leave me a review it’s like all right I mean if I get around to it I will yeah and I I really like his his approach to that because it’s really good at I feel like it inspires a lot of uh good in the community it builds a community um and it’s just a a really good kind of approach and it works it’s like super effective it’s like extremely effective you know and I think it’s uh it’s definitely something that I uh cuz I I heard um him talking about that and something I’ve been like trying to implement into my own business hence uh me actually starting a podcast but um yeah so I I think uh it’s it’s he’s got a lot of really good stuff to say I really like that guy um before we were talking about uh how some people can go uh course broke or whatever and um there’s a thought I had so
I’ll learn a lot of stuff and I’ll like consume a lot of content but it’s it’s really funny because the practice is always so different and I can even dumb it down even smaller and I just like it makes me understand like how important like actually getting some skin in the game is because um for example I had a car issue the other day and um I was watching a video on how to fix it right and I watched this video I’m like oh okay I got it I go to no the one thing anyway I go to fix my car and I’m like I find myself like wait how did he do this again I’m like looking at the video I look at the car and I look and I’m like why and then but that’s also been in in business as well where it’s like I’ll learn things but the practice is it it’s one thing to feel like you know what you’re doing but to practice it it’s like it’s way different well and you also get there and you realize oh maybe his is a different model and why is that part there but I don’t see that in his video or you know there’s an aftermarket party or something and it’s so applicable to business because even when I was was working with my dad I I think I saw this the most when I was working with my dad um well I still see it all the time but um you know he had a he’s Carpenter and so he he still has a like a handyman business he fixes things he does like bathroom remodels all that kind of stuff like finish work carpentry and whenever I would work with him do a remodel or we’d you know install a sync or whatever it was like okay this is how we’re going to do it you know you always go in with this plan you got the right tools most of the time you don’t you got to go to Home Depot three times in the middle of it but still you know you got the plan this is how it’s going to go and I swear every time we would do a job yeah we get halfway in and be like well crap why is that there or why is that not there where’d that go you know who who did this before what the heck and you always run into problems and every time we would have to Pivot and go okay this is what we were going to do this is the challenge we ran into well how do we get this outcome that we’re looking for and having to get around this obstacle and it would require new tools it would require new you know a different product it would require something else and we’d have to change and you know manipulate the plan to get this desired outcome and it’s like dude I mean when I was every time we would just laugh because it was like what a what a of course something went wrong you know but it’s the same thing in business it’s in life you know absolutely I totally agree um and so you you you just said that you guys would always uh go with the plan um it ALS it makes me think about this um because I feel like this it’s a little divided on opinions on this but do you think you need to have like a super detailed out like business plan to kind of like go in you don’t think so okay because I go ahead I think it I think it’s uh it’s probably a good idea yeah but I would assume and could say from experience that in most cases when you are really a true entrepreneur yeah you you probably don’t have time for that you’re like we’re going to go we’re going to do it how are we going to do it I don’t know but we’re going to figure it out and you just go and you start doing things it goes back to that’s a that’s a that same mindset I think can often fall in the same bucket as the education broke where it’s like well no but but I got to get this right and I got to plan this and I got to plan that and I got to and to some degree I mean there is times where I fall into that where the the you know uh paralysis by analysis where I’m like oh man what if I don’t do this what and and I got to stop myself and go no no done is better than perfect I need to just start the process I’ll figure it out along the way if if I look unprofessional the first three people who cares cuz you know then I’ll figure it out after that but like you just got to go you got to start you got to do something yeah I’m very on on on board with that too um I do feel like it it’s beneficial to have a plan like you said but I don’t think it’s like necessary cuz there’s this one person that um I saw and they were saying like they had a very different ideology I I don’t know if that’s the right use of that word but they were like they were saying that if you want to be successful you have to have like you have to have like a super detailed plan on like how you’re going to get there you have to like know what you’re doing and I I think that works but I think the reason it doesn’t work sometimes just cuz you know a lot of times you don’t know what you’re doing and you have to figure it out like you were saying like um you have a goal and then you kind of have to figure out your way to that goal you don’t necessarily have to have like a super detailed business plan I mean I didn’t have one you didn’t have one and it’s I mean I think you know there’s two sides of the coin and it’s it’s good um but it also sometimes can prevent you from pivoting you know like I said we went in with a plan when we were fixing things but it was just like okay this is what we’re going to do this is what we’re going to do this is what we’re going to do after that all right but it wasn’t like this is is what we have to do because if I went in with that mindset of like and I only brought the tools that I needed to do that job that I thought it was going to go and I just left the rest of the tools at home well I been I would have been screwed I would have had to then go back and it creates another process so it’s kind of similar it’s like just bring it all and with a with a general plan and have as many tools as you can as much education as you can yeah and then start the process and learn along the way cuz like we said it’s the failures are just the learning and that’s part of it you’re going to fail it’s like when you know when uh when children start to walk you know I heard somebody say this the other day and it was like that’s so true but it’s like you know when when your kid starts to walk it’s not like they get up they they take a few steps and they stumble and you go you stupid like why did you just fall you [ __ ] like exactly gosh no adoption oh gosh let’s get rid of this thing ex it’s it’s not like that you cheer you clap good job you yes that’s part of it yeah that’s all the same thing with riding a bike you know it’s like it’s falling is part of the process and they don’t learn how to fall they won’t learn how to get back up and they won’t learn how to keep walking you I feel like kids are a really good example sometimes um there’s also another thing I I saw there’s this video of uh this baby that was like trying it was it I don’t really know how to classify because it was like toddler I guess um they were trying to like get on this chair they were trying to like get on this chair and um the mom kept trying to like help the kid up cuz the kid was obviously really struggling to get on the chair and the dad kept Shing her hand away you know and um it it did make me think you know where it’s like I think it sometimes and this is really hard now we’re starting to talk about like parental things we’re not parents yeah but no I think I think this uh applies to certain aspects of life but you know for for instance with with Emma if I try to teach her how to do things sometimes it’s easier to just let her figure it out on her own you know because um it does it doesn’t do that baby any good to constantly keep putting it on the chair like that baby’s going to have to build those muscles and understand how to to get up there and things are going to be things are going to be hard and um that’s something i’ I’ve kind of learned working with my one of many team
members yeah no it’s true and I was just talking to to to a friend the other day about this and and he has a son and he was like you know uh talking about how his and it’s the same thing with with my nephew um the kid falls all the time man like just eats it and he just gets back up but and and he’ll climb trees and he’ll fall down and he’ll hurt himself and but then he gets up and he learns and he’s really you know versus somebody else who’s always like oh no don’t do that don’t oh here no no no don’t climb that tree don’t don’t fall don’t whatever like and they rush to him every time they fall and pickle are you okay that’s how I feel with my dog he was just like it’s actually kind of funny this is kind of random tangent but like I’m kind of like the more uh I’ll just like let JX kind of figure his crap out but Emma’s always like oh no like you know like he’s going to hurt himself yeah yeah it’s kind of funny that the difference between I think that’s kind of a general difference between men and women where like they yeah definitely can be yeah exactly but but it’s through that process that he learns he strengthens and he gets he’s more courageous when it comes to climbing the tree vers the kid who you know his mom never let him climb the tree well then he’s like oh like I don’t think I can do that like the confidence is lower too and it’s the same thing in business if you’re you know actually going out and trying and failing and skinning your knees and learning stuff you’re going to build confidence in that area you know I I didn’t I wasn’t necessarily great at sales and then I I had a like over the phone sales job for a year and a half I didn’t really like it much but I learned a lot from it and then when I started my own business I was like okay I’ve been talking to strangers on the phone trying to sell them something that they most of them don’t want for a long time I could figure this out you know I can I can sell something that I know that they need and that they probably want like yeah I could talk to them I can figure this out so it was through that process but had somebody babied me and told me no you can’t do that or I hadn’t I hadn’t gone through the the all the rejection of the sales process then I wouldn’t have had that skill yeah I also think that’s why it’s cool that you had family that was kind of entrepreneurial uh because using the example of like the kid climbing the tree you know it’s like if they see Dad out there climbing this tree all the time they’re not scared to give it a try you know because they’re like oh my dad’s climbing this tree you know that’s kind of a weird example but you know it kind of takes the fear away exactly a little bit I mean obviously the kid might fall in in it you know know it’ll suck they might be scared after that but you know they have um that person who’s like well you know they’ve done it like it’s it’s doable it’s exactly so I think that yeah I think that applies buiness um so there’s also one thing I wanted to kind of talk about because you brought this up earlier where um you’re kind of in a position where you feel like maybe you should devote most of your time to one thing mhm and and kind of drop the other Alex rosi talks about this all the time I don’t know if you got to this point maybe maybe it wasn’t Alex I’m trying I just struggle all the time I’m like oh I heard this the other day by uh I listen to whoever it was um they compare this specifically with business owners how they kind of compared it to the Matrix right oh yeah where there’s this woman in the red dress it was alexos yeah and they’re like it’s super beautiful very like appealing you want like and there’s things in business like that where there might be this new thing where it’s like oh this is going to be like it this is going to take us somewhere shiny object Shin yeah shiny object syndrome and it and it’s and it’s not and he he’s the example of like how it gets worse the it’s only shinier as you grow like the bigger you are the more shiny the object you know and um yeah so I it makes that’s where it becomes a game of NOS yeah and it makes it really makes me think of like it’s so hard sometimes to like really kind of make up your mind it’s like you know but I think as far as my own business I I we have we have kind of like a a plan not necessarily like a super that kind of sounds bad not a super well thought out plan we have we have a general direction that we’re going and um and yeah so I think uh it’s a little easier for me not to be distracted by the woman in the red dress um but yeah well and that’s the thing like recently we’ve we’ve got to that point where we uh have really started sitting down and budgeting and okay where’s money going where’s expenses what are we looking at like all of this stuff like really track I mean like to be honest we were just kind of like freeballing it for the first you know two years we’re just like we’re gonna figure it out we we got more than we you know more in is than it’s going out we’re good you know and and it’s I mean it’s it was ignorance it really was and the more we’ve started to look at it and like get detailed about it it was like oh wow okay we need to like cut this back and we need to you know devote more time to this and figure things out so that’s where like you said you know you don’t necessarily have to have some like detailed business plan with a mission state and all this other stuff like so many people think that the business is but you should have a direction you should at least know the status of your business where is it at um absolutely you know and just like have that like a like a pulse on your business where am I at you know am I draining money am I making money you know all that so yeah um something else I wanted to talk about is kind of schedule so how do you feel like your personal life kind of affects business life
H I would say in most cases I’m battling the other way around how my business life affects my personal life interesting yeah very that’s a very interesting perspective because in my head it I feel like I I feel like it would be opposite but yeah I think it I think it’s because uh like we said at the beginning you know you you you work a 9 to5 and you think it’s a lot and then you become a you know you start owning a business business or you know you found the company or whatever and then all of a sudden you’re you know you’re working till 10: p.m. and you know overnights and just all this stuff you’re just always thinking about it it’s always there um and so I think in that regard it almost affects personal life more because I’m constantly thinking how do I I need to stop thinking about this for a minute so I can focus on personal life so I can spend some time with my wife so I can you know just uh engage in you know whatever it is that I’m doing and be present there like you know I was in church this morning thinking about oh man I got to how am I going to do that and I got this employee oh crap I got to go on Jake’s podcast like this guy uh yeah no but it’s like you’re always thinking about that stuff it’s always there so for me it’s actually like the typical like work life balance of trying to figure out how to you know slow that down a little bit slow down my mind I guess so this actually kind of leads into so I I definitely relate to that a lot um I didn’t realize it until you started kind of talking about it I was like you that I I do feel like uh sometimes it’s hard to relax yeah um you know I’ll be I’m not good on vacations yeah like I’ll be sitting actually hold on there’s something else I’m remembering um so like I’ll be you know I’ll have I’ll work whatever and I’ll just want to take a break and then I’ll sit on on the couch watch TV or whatever and um I’m sitting there and I’m like the longer I sit there the more I’m like I still have to I still have those videos to it I’m like oh I have to reply to that email I forgot about it and then it’s just like I’m like and then it just eats me alive and it makes it to where like I’m I feel like I’m always thinking about that yeah all the time like if just all the time ex exactly and I think that’s more like what people mean when they say owning a business is working 24/7 is that and this is actually something I really Envy about um people who work typical jobs I have nothing against people working normal jobs I really don’t because why uh well first of all at some point I’m going to need someone on my team exactly to work a normal job someone’s going to have to work a normal job for me yeah but um I I did I kind of envied it for a little bit um because I was like man people get to just like leave work at work yeah like they get to just be done and go home and it’s like I get it like it’s a really comfy lifestyle I mean it’s a little bit of a false comfort you know um which I’ve heard someone say which I I was like yeah I get that because uh but anyway I’m not going to get into that um yeah so personal life and business you know I I feel like something that I thought about and I feel like Jordan talked about this a little bit not directly but uh he has this book called 12 rules for life um and it’s kind of about like getting your life in order and I feel like he kind of preaches this idea that you in order to be successful in your business you have to have like your personal life kind of sorted out you know because if your personal life is is bleeding that’s going to start bleeding into the business you know which I mean it makes sense to me so um I was curious to know do you have um is there something over there I saw you looking is that is that camera still on okay I’m just making sure yeah I was just looking at it like is this like weird okay good do you feel that first of all do you have like a a kind of like a set schedule I think we’ve talked about this before but do you have like a a kind of like a schedule for yourself like a daily schedule you know do you have a Sabbath and do you think that um do you think that’s important for being able to operate a business and maintain like personal life um I don’t I’m not very good at schedule not at all yeah my wife is much better at the whole like okay she puts things in order and puts them on our calendar um but yeah I’m not very good at the schedule but uh it’s something that I need you know like um in uh I think it’s uh it’s Joo willings book it’s either um extreme ownership or dichotomy of leadership I think it’s extreme ownership where he talks about read that one dichotomy of leadership it’s really good um so he he talks about um discipline equals freedom and you know most people think like oh well a disciplined life is a boring life and he’s like no because once you’ve once you have a discipline structure in your life well now when things come up you can pivot easier you can you know you you have a structure so now you don’t have to think about it somebody who has no structure in their life they everything that comes at them is is a surprise because they don’t have structure they don’t know okay this is how I’m going to handle this and this is what I’m going to do after that and whatever like their’s structure so that when things happen you can pivot easily you know which way you’re going you still have the structure of you know the day or the this task or whatever it is um versus somebody who’s just kind of like we’ll see what happens and then like you know everything that comes just hits you in the face and you don’t you have no way to to determine or you know to defend yourself kind of thing so do you wake up every morning and go on a run do you have kind of like a schedule like that where every morning you’re like I got to get my run in I know you’re breakfast guy recently figur that out yeah big breakfast guy so you kind of do you have kind of so yeah I mean I have a I have a like somewhat like routine in the mornings um so I Rachel I both try to have some time of prayer and reading the word in the morning um I’ve been slacking a little bit of that recently with different things going on and stuff but so we try to do that for 30 minutes to an hour um typically like first I wake up and I I eat something a little bit and then I make coffee you’re going to laugh at me because you said breakfast guy I eat a little bit and then I drink coffee okay and then I eat a big breakfast later it’s just coffee on an empty stomach doesn’t go well you really do love breakfast you them yeah pretty much so uh great right now Rachel and I are training for a half marathon so we that’s really cool I like that so we we do we’re I have a run like a run schedule so um typically every other day roughly um I feel like this is just my personal opinion it’s kind of like random thought I feel like if anybody has CU I feel like earlier talking about discipline I feel like discipline is such a staple for anybody who owns a business yeah I think that if anybody has the discipline to out and be healthy they could start a successful bus and my opinion because because that’s like super hard you know so like if you could get that it is because and and I’ve seen so many correlations of uh like starting to work out and the the correlation between that and business and starting something in life because I’ve I’ve worked out a bunch of different times at different points in my life you know I was I was like 145 lbs I got up to 160 in like 3 months and then like just stopped basically I mean I don’t know life happened it was like oh maybe tomorrow maybe the next day whatever and then like dropped all the way back and um so I’ve done that like three or four times I know what it’s like and I’ve done it in business where like start a business I’m like oh this is really cool and then you know sure enough it fails um but there’s so many correlations that I found just in this uh like I guess you could call it training block or or half marathon prep because um I’m not like a like a runner I mean I may be built like one but I I don’t really like it that much um I played running Sports and high school and whatever else but uh my wife was the runner and um it was actually a lot of Nick Bears stuff on podcast and YouTube and whatever and just hearing him talk about it and I was like you know what like this is something that I need to do partially because I don’t want to do it like to be honest that’s a big part of why I started running because I was like what is the thing I don’t want to do the most I don’t want to run yeah and I was like you know what screw it I’m going to start running and in that process um I’ll tell you like literally like just this week has been the week where I hit that wall where you know I was like dude I’m hyped let’s do it I’m going start running you know we’re we’re doing three miles we’re doing 8 Miles Saturday we’re doing whatever and I’m like running running running it’s been like couple handful of weeks or whatever and I finally just hit that wall where like my alarm goes off at 5:30 in the morning and I’m like I do not want to run the last thing in the world I want to do is get up and Miles right now um but in doing it it’s it’s I’m at that point now where I finally understand the what’s happening the excitement of starting just like in business just like in working out just like a new meal plan and keto whatever the new thing is that everybody starts they start and it’s like you get this really big momentum you’re super stoked and it lasts a few weeks few months whatever the case is and then it starts to plau and then eventually it just Dives and it’s in that Plateau season where if you can just keep it plateaued for a little while if I can just keep it going and keep it flat eventually it will slowly start to increase but it’s a long game just like business just like I mean like what Alex Shi says there is a lot of truth that it’s a long game and I know with where I’m at right now even with running it’s like this is a long game I have to play this long game because if I if I take those little steps and I give into those little things now where I like well maybe not today I’ll do it tomorrow tomorrow will turn into the next day and uh you know I’ve heard it said that tomorrow is a day day on a Fool’s calendar it just doesn’t it’s not going to happen yeah it it’s so something I feel like I have been able to know so it’s it’s really interesting how like I feel like just as humans like we’re so it it’s weird cuz we’re like um programmed to feel good in overcoming you know and um like whenever you do difficult things like you always feel so much better afterwards and it’s like you like you feel progress and um that I feel like this is really cool so somebody I think it was Jordan Pearson who said this but they’re like he’s like what do you fear more do you fear um do you fear I’m totally butchering this but he’s it was like what scares you more what uh failing or staying where you are because if you stay where you are that’s equally as bad if not worse than just trying something you know um that that kind of sounds like it came out of left field just random because we’re talking about running but anyway it’s like uh I was going to say it always feels I always feel so much worse you know like you have that alarm clock go off in the morning you’re like I don’t want to do this I always feel so much worse after I sleep in M than if I were to just do it because after you do it you’re like I did something you know that was difficult and it’s uh it’s like rewarding yeah and it’s good I I like that I like I like to practice doing things that are difficult or uncomfortable um I think it’s really good for people to do that get like it just I feel like it you have so much more control over your mind when you practice that you know you’re not just kind of getting hit by by life you’re kind of like punching back I guess you could say yeah um and I thought about it the other day and I was like you know I think I think everybody should have some form of a fitness goal even if it’s uh I want to be able to walk a mile straight you know like no matter what it is this doesn’t have to be a half marathon a marathon an Ultram Marathon or a you know Iron Man or like it doesn’t have to be that but just some kind of Fitness goal of some kind because it not only is it going to benefit you long term and you’re going to stay healthier yeah but it also is just a form of discipline and almost nobody really wants to do it even the guys that love working out like and I and I honestly like I enjoy it when I do a little bit more like uh strength training stuff like I enjoy it it’s it’s it’s nice um but that wees over time even the people that really love doing it they get tired they get bored they get you know whatever they don’t want to do it some days but it’s doing it those days that really changes the the the trajectory of life because it affects so many other things Goggins was actually you know Goggins right so Goggins was talking about this he was saying that people think he’s like this superum and everything like that and he was like like dude I don’t like doing this he’s like I don’t like doing this either but that’s why I do it exact he’s like I have the same struggles you know I just I just make myself do it you know and um I think that’s really good for people and that’s definitely something that I aspire to be more of like you know cuz I I’ve always as far as the fitness goals go I’ll take you out running with me actually I need to but um yeah this is kind of a I don’t know if I should talk about that I was gonna I was going to say um because it’s always good to have like accountability which I feel like is really great especially when you have a goal like you have somebody that keeps you accountable I think it’s even better when you can keep yourself accountable but I do always think it you to have somebody to keep you accountable for your goals is is good and um that kind of led me to think about like starting a business
where you know some people feel like they have to be like super charismatic to start um I actually learned recently that like I guess Ben Shapiro started his his business um with a partner you know like you don’t have to be charismatic like maybe sometimes like you can partner yourself with certain people to um do things you know cuz a lot of like lot of the faces that we see there’s a lot of other people that are partnered up with these guys and um that was just kind of a random thought that I was thinking about you know CU if anybody’s like discouraged to not start a business it’s like okay well you know maybe you’re not the best face of the business but maybe you could be like the brains yeah well and it’s and like there’s caution to Partnerships obviously there needs to be like like study it first and be detailed about it especially on the front end but yeah yeah no it’s it’s really true because like there’s a a detail company called Chicago autopros they’re massive detail company um they do sell products and all this other stuff but it’s the same way Jason one of the founders of it he’s like he’s got 100,000 subscribers on YouTube and does all this stuff and he does all the videos and face and the big beard and whatever but he’s partnered with a guy Greg who’s like basically the brains of the the money side he does everything accounting the spreadsheets and all and so like the two of them work great together because they carry two different skill sets so it can definitely be beneficial yeah I I’ve been thinking about that and uh it just kind of hit me randomly I have a lot of random thoughts that just kind of hit me uh me too yeah oh and so something that I wanted to talk about um I don’t I don’t know how we kind of got on health but I I just overall I just feel like health is like really important that and people should take it way more seriously than they do especially in today’s world especially me cuz I’m getting up [Laughter] there uh now I’m going to make you go right with me I yeah I I should I need to I will but um because I feel like a lot in in fitness goals like that’s where people experience the most ups and downs and um and that led me to recall a conversation I had with my stepdad Ricky is um he was whenever I I was doing the business thing he was like he he was trying to encourage me he was saying like you know you’ll start a business and it’ll be good but it’s not always going to be good you know like you’re going to have ups and downs don’t don’t get too caught up in and always trying to double your your revenue or whatever you know sometimes you’re going to have to backtrack a little bit to move forward yeah you know and um yeah you know and I think it’s um I think that’s something that I’ve always thought about and kind of kept with me a little bit I’m always thinking about that um you know cuz what’s what’s that St statistic like most businesses fail within the first how many years two to 5 years or something yeah yeah something like that and then the number just incrementally gets uh yeah it gets larger yeah as time goes on most most businesses will never make it to 10 years and things like that yeah and um yeah so I’m Cur I don’t know we’ll see how long I we last I got some things on entrepreneurship that I had wrote down that I’m trying to think of like okay how do we how do we get to this I don’t want to before we get into that yeah I I do want to talk about that um I wrote this twice on here and I I still skipped it yeah so first before we get into that even I’m curious so you started your business how many years ago two and a half two and a half okay I wonder when I started I think I’m around the same didn’t we started around the same time did we probably yeah that’s super cool I think that’s really fun that we both started around the same time and I I think that’s awesome I think it’s really fun to experience growth with other people yeah um I feel like it’s beneficial to surround yourself with people who can relate and things like that or else you can feel kind of lonely sometimes I guess but random those are just random words um so uh I wanted to know your thoughts on hustle culture uh cuz Alex rosi actually said this and it really caught me off guard I was like wow that’s an interesting thing hearing it from him and so he said that you can wake up at 12 eat pizza be super unhealthy and and still be successful you know cuz he was kind of like combating custle culture a little bit how people are like oh you got to this is how you do it you have to wake up at 5:00 a.m. run the circumference of the world and and you know by the next hour you know be writing a book and all this stuff and I think those are good things to have but um I feel like it it can sometimes set an unrealistic expectation for some people and um yeah but anyway so he he said that you know he said he disagrees with all those things he doesn’t think you should live life like that you know but he his kind of approach to it is you um 2 plus 2 equals 4 you know if you do what is necessary to start a business and have it become successful you’ll get that’s what you’ll get out you know um if you spend the first six hours of your day screwing off doing whatever but this you spend the rest of your day like devoted to your craft or your business like then you you can still be successful and um I I don’t know I just thought that was a really interesting approach and take on it coming from him being someone who wakes up at 5:00 a.m. and works out and is like super jacked you know um but yeah I thought that was that was a cool thing so um I guess with that being said so what what are your thoughts on like the whole hustle culture do you know what that is you know okay so uh I think it is in some ways probably just about as detrimental as social media yeah like kind of like conceeded I guess yeah well and it just it drives people to um to think that they have to try to beat everybody else like you all suck I’m going to do this I don’t care about anybody I don’t care about anything I don’t care about your time I’m going to hustle I’m going to beat you I’m going to grind I’m going to and it it in some ways negates a lot of the uh
the working together like you talked about surrounding yourself with other people and the the community of Entrepreneurship um I think it’s it’s also driving a lot of people into the ground you know people listen to too many Grant Cardone videos and then they like you know don’t sleep for 5 days and they’re going to try to buy a building the like and it just it I think it’s it’s not healthy to some degree like yes there is an aspect of it that’s true like you’re going to have to hustle you’re going to have to you’re going to have to work when you don’t really feel like it sometimes like we were just talking about you don’t want to get up at 5:00 a.m. and run but you got to you know like there’s certain certain things that you’re going to have to do and it’s going to take effort it’s going to be harder than it would be to just wake up at you know go to your job at 9:00 clock out at 5:00 go home watch TV you dinner whatever it’s going to be harder um but I don’t I don’t know I feel like it’s created a lot of arrogance yeah that too like I’ll just like I’ll I don’t want to be a hater but like I like I’ll experience some people that like really young and I’m not against young entrepreneurial aspirations but you know I’ll like for example when I was in high school um there would be people who are like yeah I’m I’m like going to be all this in a bag of chips and it’s just like they just it’s like they almost like it’s like I’m going to be better than you and I’m going to tell you how much better I’m going to be than you just arrogance yeah it was just so weird because it’s like they they it’s like it’s like they get so pumped up you know that they forget that they haven’t even done anything well and and yeah exactly and and I’ll say this um you know you and I had talked about uh like ambition at one point yeah shout out so and you know the ambition alov podcast and um and I was listening to to a podcast the other day and uh it was the Green Room podcast which is Irish Global um and he was interviewing uh a pastor and they talked about that whole idea of ambition you know what does it mean can you you know as a Christian are you supposed to be ambitious you know because so many people think it’s it’s a bad word yeah and I thought it was a really cool answer so he said yeah I you know I believe that um as a Christian you you like ambition is good now obviously there’s you know two sides to that um selfish ambition is is sin but um you know his definition of ambition I thought was super cool and I wrote it down he said biblical ambition is wanting to pursue greatness for the purpose of serving others grounded in biblical principles so it’s like if that is your ambition um to pursue greatness like a level of Excellence yeah um but for the purpose of serving others and I think that’s where the whole hustle culture can get out of whack where it’s I’m going to hustle for me and mine yeah it ites yeah that’s it’s selfish ambition it’s it’s not serving others and it’s not grounded in biblical principles which often times we’ll say okay yeah I should you know do this this and this and I’m going to basically stomp you into the ground so I can get above you well like that’s that’s not the Lord like no sometimes and I think this goes back to this will lead maybe into a little bit of a conversation that you and I were having at one point too was being a Christian in business yeah there’s it’s it’s harder I will I will say um being a Christian I it’s it’s hard because I feel that it’s almost looked down upon to have like really big aspirations and goals you know [Music] um I don’t know if it’s like that across the board but I I just feel like I don’t know it’s just like this little thing in in me where I just I just like through context of like through what people have said like nobody’s really said it directly but it’s just like it just I just kind of feel that way and it’s always made me a little hesitant to like um share certain goals and things with people because I feel like first of all um first of all they they might laugh because they think it’s a little too like crazy and things like that but secondly it’s almost like um I don’t know I I just I feel that sometimes as Christians it people kind
of yeah I’m trying to find it’s like it’s like the um the false humility of you have to be you have to think smaller and be you know don’t don’t don’t dream that big like well that’s sinful it’s like well no it’s the love of money is the root of all evil it’s not money so yes if I make a boatload of money but I am I’m not only tithing but I’m also supporting people I’m giving abundantly and generously and I’m using the funds that I make from my business to further the kingdom of God like that’s why why in the world would the Lord want me to make less money and it’s like no no no don’t do that because that’s bad like it doesn’t even make sense it’s like no but if yeah if my if my profit motive turns into just a profit motive for me and not for the sake of furthering the values that I believe in well then yeah that that there’s definitely something to be said for the the fact that that’s could be argued as wrong but um yeah it’s like the the world has so much money and they’re using they’re using it for to further the the kingdom of evil you know the the kingdom of darkness is prevailing in so many Realms because there’s money and there’s power behind it but if we can take you know if there’s more Christians that stand up with a power that’s Superior and have the finances to do things in those areas you know people complain about or will say something about you know well it’s so a shame that this area is so impoverished it’s like well what would happen if entrepreneurs who are making a lot of money who were Christians were able to take that and then go in and feed half the city or you know do something with the money it takes money to do things and if we don’t have money there’s a lot of things we just can’t do you know if the Lord calls you to go tomorrow to to Africa and you go well yeah but I don’t have any money well it’s like okay well then you got to find a way to make the money and don’t get me wrong like the Lord can provide and will provide in certain ways like he does that but how much more if you know you’re a completely free entrepreneur and you know you’re follow the will of God and he says go and you okay no problem I feel like that’s the biggest thing that I hear people say um when it comes to money is is they kind of frame the conversation like you’re not relying on God anymore and which doesn’t make any sense because again like we’ve talked about a lot of this time when you when it comes to business it’s it takes a lot less Reliance and some okay and I’ll be very cautious in saying this I would say it often takes some less Reliance to just go to work than it does to go okay I’m going to forsake all of that and I’m going to go after this this dream whether it’s you know like something that the Lord’s given you or it’s an idea you have or you just like hey I’m going to start this business there’s going to be so many times where you realize and even like this week times where I realize man like I had I was not relying on the Lord for this provision and that’s why it didn’t work out but as soon as I begin to rely on him and trust him and all of the decisions I have to make on a weekly basis and things that don’t go my way and jobs that fall through and all of the the pivots that I have to do on a weekly monthly basis I have to rely on the Lord all the time yeah so it’s not me relying on myself because when I did rely on myself I screwed myself and you almost experience it I feel like at at a larger scale um owning a business in people like that are like extremely successful that like you know just for sake of a example like Elon Musk like if he was a Christian you know um like if you were somebody like a Christian who owned a business that was that big you know it’s like you have a lot more to lose you know like you have a lot more but you also have the the most to lose and um I feel like that’s you kind of experience it like trust in God uh at a larger level when you have more to lose um but it’s also but I mean the way I said that kind of makes it sound like money’s everything it’s it’s not um but you I mean there you also rely on God in different ways too um once you acquire certain amount of wealth I was just thinking about this you know I feel like it almost forces you to think in a higher about your life in like a higher definition you know because um people will cuz because the the problems you experience are different um you know because you’re experiencing a lot more personal problems and kind of like uh existential problems you know and I think uh yeah I think once you achieve something like that you’re almost forced to like your relationship with God has to be like super strong you know because if it’s not you’re going to be you’re going to be drawn to love money yeah you can’t serve to Masters and I think that’s where it gets hard because the more money you have the bigger that Master can become or at least it can seem it’s the women in the red dress it’s the shiny object syndrome that shiny object might not be another business but it might be the you know $600,000 in your bank account or something or or a literal person in well exactly that’s a very real possibility um and it’s there and and that that poll becomes harder if you’re not in the secret place like if it’s yeah if if if you’re not and and I’m experiencing in that in certain ways even where with where my business is at and it’s not that it’s not that big it’s not huge it’s not whatever I’m not making crazy money but it’s it’s even in that place I have the um the the battle between the attention my attention like we talked about earlier it’s the work the work that affects my personal life so much and it’s that distraction of always thinking about it that can often times pull away from my relationship with the Lord because I’m even you know out praying or in my room praying or whatever and I’m praying and I’m praying and I’m praying and then all of a sudden I’m thinking like oh man you’re right I got to email that person back I totally forgot about that quote and then I got to how am I going to get this job for next week and I got to get this guy here and all this stuff starts happening and it’s just like a snowball that begins to grow yeah and so that that it might not be a something big another new opportunity but it might be just a distraction of what’s already there yeah and something I was thinking about the other day and I think I may have spoke to you about this is I was almost like where are all of the Christian business owners like where are they I feel like they’re like hiding in the shadows you know like recently I’ve seen a couple emerge um but I don’t know it I feel like for so long um business and Faith were like like really you you cuz we have people like um who’s the dude who owns the is it he has like a private jet or something like that and um he he bought like a famous guy’s private jet and it was like really controversial and I feel like maybe almost like it left like certain there’s certain pastors who kind of ruined it for other people where it kind of put this bad taste in everybody’s mouth where like Christians and and business and success don’t really go together you know and so I felt like I feel like there like a lot of the Christian business owners were like kind of like yeah I don’t want to be I don’t want to be in the public eye like I don’t want people to know that you know I’m a Christian or or maybe that I have a business you know if uh so I don’t know but I feel like I’ve been seeing some more pop up recently um I feel like it’s it’s harder in some ways and and like I said at the beginning it is harder I believe because to that point you know you are then looked at by your clientele by competitors by just the world the you know public in general as okay you’re a Christian business great now prove it um there’s that aspect to it um and in a kind of in a similar vein like I had written down was like it’s harder because you’re you’re actually faced with moral black and white decisions that a lot of people a lot of worldly you know unsaved people don’t have that issue they don’t have the the the I don’t know how to say it really but like the moral right and wrong Compass determined by the word of God they’re going oh whatever I cheated him for you know an extra hundred bucks who cares yeah versus when when you’re following the Lord and you’re running business and you’re running it for him it’s like I can’t do that no I can’t and there’s things that you have to say no to there might be opportunities that you say no sorry I can’t you know um I mean even even as uh as simply as you know I got some email the other day somebody tried to invite my business to be at some like Halloween FAL thing for a like marketing thing and I was like no I’m not going to because the very anti the very the very basis of your event revolves around something that that is directly contradictory to the word of God so therefore I’m not going to I’m not going to be there as a business basically saying I agree with this and you know support me oh I’m a Christian too it’s like well that that doesn’t work you know so I have to say no to things like that yeah I I think that’s really important um it sucks like I see sometimes like these businesses that I’ll really like come you know I’ll be like oh you know this seems like a good set of people and I I I’ll follow them and then I’ll see something like where they’ll kind of like slowly start letting go of their moral like their morals a little bit like they’ll kind of like make these little compromises yeah oh so it’s sad yeah no it’s true um what what else do we have here on this I’m curious to to see what you had prepared for today uh this was something that I had written down I don’t know a couple weeks ago um and it wasn’t necessarily in in in for this um but it was also uh well part of it was for thinking about my own podcast yeah which you know may come out sometime um we’re not going to put a date to that uh but um in in regards to entrepreneurship and I think this goes back to what we had talked about at the beginning like who should start and should you be you know well if you’re if you’re questioning am I the right person or am I an entrepreneur or whatever don’t take this as like this is the only definition if you don’t fit it like oh well go get a job but um this is just what I observed from my life and what I’ve seen from other people um but I had just written down like an entrepreneur will always be an entrepreneur even without a business um their mind is always thinking about how to solve problems tweak things to make them better or overthrow the whole system and start from scratch and rur getss frustrated with average like there is you don’t have it just because you have an LLC does not mean you’re an entrepreneur you might be a business owner but you that does not make you an entrepreneur yeah the entrepreneur mindset the the the ability and desire to create whether from scratch or to change a new system to build something new like it’s entrepreneurs who have built America to what it is and it’s it’s them who will keep building it’s not the politicians and like small business needs to make a bigger comeback um yeah absolutely to keep things going yeah and uh something that I thought was really cool that I heard the other day is it it it’s also you know Business and Entrepreneurship it’s it’s also a really good way to kind of bring people together uh and and kind of set their differences aside like for example I mean this isn’t really directly correlated with like um what you were talking about and how like the entrepreneur is like really creative and like Innovative but um it’s something I was thinking about where there’s this guy it was actually a really old video he held up a pencil and he’s like this pencil like the wood was cut down from Tree in some other country the lead that goes in this was made in a different country it was put together in our country or whatever and he was just kind of talking about how like all these other countries like they would like you know we would be angry at each other and everything like that but we all come together to make this product you know we all we have our differences but we all agree that we’re going to work together uh and and do this product and um I think it’s really cool to kind of see that where people can kind of put aside their differences and and work towards like a specific goal and um and I think that’s that kind of goes back to what we talked about with the the hustle culture and all that where I’m going to get you know mine and I’m going to just whatever it’s like it’s it’s it’s ignorance because there there’s so much more power in community and in people working together to you’re you’re right because Imagine One business was like well screw all you I’m going to make this pencil myself oh now you have to all these other problems you have to figure out where you going to get this made that made so when they’re working together like it’s more powerful and I’ve been thinking about this with my own business recently is like okay how do I how do I Market better how do I get more clients okay well I can sit here and think about all the things I can do and try to do up everything I can do or I can go all right well I know this body shop over here and he has 15 cars that go through his shop every single week but he’s not cleaning them well maybe I should go talk with him build a relationship with him and then he’ll leave my cards in there then now that’s 15 more people that didn’t know about me before and then I can do his car for free when I get five car like things like this we’re working together with other business owners and entrepreneurs to to better the whether it’s the industry as a whole or the people’s lives who are partaking my service or product or whatever you’re selling like working together with other business that’s why marketing groups and these business fairs and things like that they’re really they work really well I would love to go to some of those they sound like an absolute blast but I haven’t I don’t know I haven’t just I haven’t made it over I don’t know I think a part of it is I I just don’t want to spend a bunch of money to fly somewhere and then be away from the business for a period of time but I really would like if they have any in Florida I’m like I’ll go do it do it well and and it’s so funny you mention this cuz I literally wrote this down um and I and I talked to somebody recently um uh about you know we’re going to SEMA which is a huge yeah huge Automotive uh aftermarket industry show in Vegas um and we’ve been we went last year too and I was talking to a guy and he was kind of like well you know you can’t make you know money if you’re there if you’re not here you know like you can’t make money there so why go and I was like no I mean yeah you’re right and it got me thinking like oh maybe I should stay home maybe I should make some money but I realized I’m like no because the experience the uh networking the things I’m going to learn the uh you know things I might see or experience while I’m there within the industry all this stuff like all of that yes I didn’t make the $1,000 or whatever it was that I was going to make when I was gone yeah but the the culmination of those experiences and things learned are probably going to make me 10 times that over the next 6 months year two years um because I invested in myself and my business versus just working in the business yeah I should take some notes on that actually one of my one of my friends is going to uh where is it I think it’s Utah for a mastermind kind of thing and I was really tempted to go to this one because we both saw it on the same Facebook group and I was like should I go didn’t go next time yeah but it was a little it was a little too Niche for me though cuz it was like very specific and we do a lot of different kinds of things but this is kind of a random one but I’m curious to I’m just curious to know your answer um has being an entrepreneur kind of like this whole journey has that changed the way you kind of see the world at all or see money do you see money differently or do you see the world in a different
light yeah I think I see it in a kind of like I’ve mentioned a few times like like creating value you know adding value um you know when you when you’re just working a job it’s kind of like okay I’m going to show up and I’m I’m going to work and I’m going to get paid yeah um and you know to some degree depending on your job the level of value you provide doesn’t really determine you know I mean I guess technically it determines your position but in a lot of ways you can skimp and you know just kind of work it halfheartedly and whatever um and get paid the same amount and until you become an entrepreneur and you have your own business and you really start working on that and realizing like oh if I don’t provide value I’m not going to get any money yeah um and I I think it maybe it was Alex Heros or somebody the other day that I was listening to said like the business that provides the most value wins that sounds like exactly so but it’s and it’s totally true and that’s what I started realizing recently it’s like okay I can um raise my prices lower my prices do I can I can try to change so many variables but if I just add value and add more of it than anybody else in my industry or in my region or whatever like I will win in some sense of okay I’m going to get more clients I’m going to be able to grow more I’m going to be able to expand whatever the case is so it has definitely um changed my mindset to to more of a value based mindset and also uh you know just I I mean I think differently about stuff you know you walk into a restaurant and you’re like wow how do they do this and how I wonder how much it cost them to make that and what about you know you’re just in any business and you’re just like how did they get it must how did they ship this that must have cost them a lot and then how did they do this and and you’re just always thinking in that realm every time I ordered a drink I’m like wow like they probably paid 12 cents for this I just paid $3 I that’s the thing I think about all the time buy food and I’m like yeah dang this was so cheap for them but you know hey yeah no I I uh that’s cool I think like that too and I I think that’s definitely um something I develop post starting a business do you feel like um owning a business has kind of changed the way I view the world a little bit where like like um I don’t know like for one thing I I feel pretty like free owning a business but I also feel very like tied down at the same time it’s kind of an interesting concept but I don’t know it is it is different cuz I feel like the majority of people just uh don’t have the same thought process or like I owning a business I I feel like I learn I how do I say this it feels that most people who own businesses are forced to think in higher resolution and you know some people that don’t own business is not taking shots at anybody who doesn’t own a business but like I just feel like in my experience um their thought process is is just a little more it’s just like different like they don’t think the same way they don’t think about a lot of things I don’t want to say it’s like shallow yeah but uh you know it’s like sometimes um I feel like business owners I just feel like there’s a lot more the conversation’s just different um well and it’s like when you and I get together you know and that’s kind of how this this all start part of how this started you know I mean being here but it was like every time we got together it was like we’d have these hour and a half conversations about business and about you know theory on different things and you know life and why is this social things and why is this like that and why isn’t that like that and all this stuff and we’d get into these deep conversations because it’s constantly how we are and we’re we’re in a growth mindset because if you’re an entrepreneur and you’re not growing you’re dying you’re just it’s that’s how it goes this stagnation only lasts so long before somebody else comes up and you know surpasses you and it’s not necessarily like it’s a race or it’s some like thing where you know you’re against everybody else but um you know if yeah if you’re not growing then you’re not going to you’re not going to get very far and it’s not to say that people who like work on 9 to5 can’t do that but I just feel like I feel like it’s more it’s more common yeah it’s more accepted to just be a certain way when you like have a typical job and I feel like it’s more promoted when you own a business to kind of think uh differently I don’t know because like I feel like most of the time I can tell if I’m talking to somebody if like I don’t have to ask if they own a business I’m like I know you own a business you know and um so it’s definitely from my perspective definitely changed how I have conversations with people because I always try and have conversations with people that they can enjoy the conversation you know I don’t want to be that guy who sits there and tells you about crap you don’t care about the whole time I’ve done that um you know and I can feel it I can feel I’m like wow this I trapped this person I also hate being trapped yeah um so yeah you know I it’s it’s changed in uh my perspective perspective has changed in that manner I think that one I think that one might make some people mad I yeah I think so possibly but you know what whatever I’m not for everybody um yeah so what do you think I’m curious about this so like if you were if somebody came up to you and was is was they had the desire to start a business and they they you know and they were coming to you and just asked like what should I do like what would you say to them would you encourage them or CU I know that this was kind of kind of a fun one Elon Musk he went up to a group of entrepreneurs that were touring Tesla and he said um don’t do it he said it sucks it’s the worst thing you’ll ever do do not do it and um would you say that what would you say I uh I wouldn’t say that but I think uh it might be really good um not reverse psychology but a good test because you know if somebody says something like that to you especially somebody that’s successful that you look up to and you go I’m doing it anyways like I’m sure he he probably weeded out a good majority of those those people for the ones that were like I don’t care dude I’m doing it and those are the people who are really going to succeed the people that were like oh gosh okay yeah no M you’re probably right and quit that day like they weren’t going to make it anyways so so no I I mean I wouldn’t say something like that um especially because I know what it’s done for me and my you know I want to say for me but like for my like we talked about perspective my life my my path and and to some degree like I know like this is part of the the trajectory that the Lord has me on um so I know that you know I know that’s where I know I’m where I’m supposed to be right now uh I know there’s plans in the future and I don’t know what those look like and how it’s all going to play out but I know where I am where I’m supposed to be now and everything I’ve learned over this this process of just the last you know professionally I guess you could say the last two and a half years but really for the last 5 10 years of the entrepreneur mindset and the trying and failing and ideas and learning and growing and all this stuff like dude it’s awesome um and so there’s obviously caution in just telling people like yeah go out and start a business because like it really isn’t for some people and you know I don’t want to tell somebody like just do it no matter what because yeah you don’t want to go like spend all the money you have to start something that you really suck at and you don’t realize until you get there and then you’re broke and you know yeah so like be cautious about it maybe have a plan about it talk talk to somebody you know talk I’m sure that you know somebody who has uh somebody who’s fairly close to you who has a business and talk with them and just say hey look this is an idea I have um what do you think about it what do you think about me trying it this way or you know especially if you’re like I’m going to go all in on this like please talk to somebody first um but but talking with somebody who’s been down that road before because they’re going to be able to tell you things that you wouldn’t have seen yeah you know um I I probably should have talked to more people when I started and I would have learned a little bit more ahead of time and like probably would have made so many mistakes you know like learning from experience is is not the best it it’s not the best teacher but I think that’s the opposite of how that saying goes well yes no no what I’m saying is learning from your own failures like isn’t always the best way like why not why not learn from somebody else’s failures and then not do them and learn quicker yeah I agree if you if you’ve you know were in my industry and I wanted to start a business and then I go and talk to you and you’re like yeah but by the way don’t do this this and this because it’s going to really screw you up for the next six months and it’s going to take way longer well then I go oh great yeah it’s way better for me to have done that and learned it from you than it was to go screw it up and take six months longer to learn it myself like yeah may it may have been more ingrained in my mind because I really had to go through it but like it’s kind of a stupid way to learn absolutely yeah yeah I totally see what you’re saying which is why I feel like a lot of courses can be really good and whenever you have like collaborative efforts and and um like sometimes Facebook groups can be good like I’m in the in some Facebook groups that are really nice because um I don’t have to sit there and research the internet I can just go on there ask somebody be like hey has anybody experienced this issue sometimes they’re like yeah this is what you did and that actually happened to me recently with an editing thing I was like I can’t for life let me figure this out and then somebody was like yeah this is what you did I’m like there you go that’s that just saved me I just wasted 3 hours on Google you know yeah so have you inspired anybody to um pursue owning a business or starting something like has anybody kind of use you as like inspiration or anything like that um yeah no I actually have uh one friend uh shout out Taylor um oh yeah Taylor yeah yeah so uh I don’t know that I’m like you know like his inspiration necessarily take full credit but uh no but I he was I remember talking with him a lot and in kind of in the process of him being like well I want to do this I kind of want to Branch out on my own I’m stuck here and all this stuff and uh you know and it was really cool getting to talk with him and explain to him like or you know share with him what I kind of did and you know hope it helps kind of thing um and talk with him about certain things he was trying to do and um and we’re in like vastly different Industries but the a lot of the concepts are the same and you know we we sat at our Church’s Cafe couple weeks back and just talked about where we were both at you know and I don’t know that I taught him anything but it was just like through talking with our experiences and what we’re learning and how we’re you know T taking on different things like it was really cool like I left going man that was like I got filled up by it and I was like hey I need to I need to practice this like he said this and I was like dang I need to work on that and so I took it you know so like it’s yeah I think that’s that’s kind of the cool part about it is when you’re around somebody that has that same mindset it’s not always just a um you give me stuff it’s like when we talk like when you and I talk we talked the other night until 9:30 in the parking lot after church and we left and and it’s like it’s so funny it happens so many times cuz Rachel’s very introverted and I’m very extroverted and we left and she’s like I’m tired like I’m done ready and I’m like I am so amped I am ready man and I talked the whole way home and she was just like oh my gosh you got to stop hanging out with Jake that’s hilarious but it’s true when you when you’re around to somebody like that it’s just it gets you going and you bounce ideas off each other and it’s just it’s really cool so so he was one person that that and I’ve seen him now he’s like he’s going man and he’s doing great and he’s like starting his own thing he’s got a guy working for him and that’s really impressive it’s really cool to see how he’s developing and growing in learning a lot through it um and and him and his wife really do it together and me and my wife work together and you and your wife work together and it’s it’s really cool how it’s awesome you know to to see that because so many people think it’s like you got to separate it or like we do our separate things and you know what and I and to be fair like maybe certain couples you probably should do that but um but is really cool like working together and uh you know and getting to to live life together and work together and build something together absolutely yeah it’s really cool I think I really like that about entrepreneurship too is is how you can like kind of inspire other people it’s like it’s very motivating you know and I I really like being around uh people with that mindset and I I really think it’s important to be around people like that and then um oh man there’s something I was goingon to say I don’t remember but here’s something I I was thinking about earlier and at some point we have to wrap this up and like how to like bring this to a close uh but uh I wrote down family and risk did I why did I write that
down oh yeah so here’s something that I thought was I think this is a huge benefit and this kind of goes into like a little bit of but deeper topic that expands past entrepreneurship and things like that it can kind of go like a very spiritual way and political but um so I wrote down family plus risk uh not plus risk but just family and risk so I wrote that down because I was thinking about this um one of the things like I feel like it’s so it’s really important for people to have like a solid family and I I feel like if you have like a really solid family like it’s super it’s amazing because you can take like much larger risks you know like because in starting my business I was like I was thinking about this I was like worst case scenario and this is an absolute privilege not everybody has this but I was like worst case scenario I could always just I got home you know I got my family I could just if I if things go really bad like the worst possible scenario I just as embarrassing as it would be you know have to just move back home and just until I can get my feet up again and things like that and I think um I was thinking about that the other day and I think it’s there’s so many benefits to having a solid uh family and like the nuclear family it’s really sad to see how the nuclear family can just has been kind of like abandoned you know and um yeah and that’s something I’m really appreciative of and I think it’s super important from a spiritual perspective and I think it just benefits society as a whole and and it means that I can try things and fail and not be super scared yeah um but yeah did you feel like that kind of helped you like with your motivation to do the business is like worst case scenario move back home or anything like that or yeah well so at that the point that I started uh my business I was already married yeah um but I mean to be honest my parents if it really went South they probably they would probably take me back home um but no I I definitely had that that um yeah that same kind of backup like my wife’s family awesome family mine too we had the support they all live very close and so like you know there was there was times where you know my family my parents especially like helped us out financially you know and it’s not like they were just giving me like big loans of money or anything but like they they were there to help they would you know have have us come detail the car and just like to give us a job and do different things like that and um so so yeah I definitely had that we both had that backup and as like you said if it really went South we could have but like to have the support really helps too because it gives you a little bit more confidence yeah um to have people who are who believe in you and who are like hey you got this like I I know you can do it um it gives you the confidence to be like all right even if had to be an option like we’re not going to get there because we’re going to we’re going to figure this out you know so I think um yeah it’s uh my family’s they’ve always been very supportive and um I’ve been really appreciative of it although I do feel like I need somebody against me you know I can’t make a really good story well yeah I mean I have to have something what like sometimes it’s like people are too uh they believe in me too much like I’m really not this good yeah first of all I feel like there’s this like expectation that I’m like freaking Guru and I’m like I no I don’t know what I’m doing but it’s also like you know I don’t I I feel like it it benefits to have somebody who’s like kind of bet betting against you just to give a little bit more motivation because yeah I don’t know there’s just okay I guess that’s not a good example but um yeah there there’s this cool example that Jordan Pearson gave it doesn’t really relate directly to this but he they they did he was talking about an experiment that these people did where they put cheese in like this tube or whatever like and they had to like find the cheese I guess so they so these rats had like a goal obviously you find the cheese whatever your cheese is and um they would time it and then they would time it how fast it took them to get to the cheese like when there’s like a cat in the room that they could see or something like that and and um it was like they would the they would find it much faster and he was saying that it it always helps to have a goal you know but to have um to have something it helps to have something to go towards but it also helps a lot to be running away from something like you’ll go faster if there’s something you’re running away from or like you’re fearing you know which is I don’t want that to be taken in a in a in the wrong way but like fear like for examp you could use it like the the the fear of God you you don’t want to disappoint God you know so couple you’re the fear of God and um and then something you want to pursue and then it’s like get there much faster you know I don’t know but that’s kind of just a random little rant um well it’s like like when I was playing lacrosse you know you’d be dead tired after even just a few minutes of playing Midfield and then as soon as you get the ball and someone’s chasing you all of a sudden it was like I I wasn’t concerned about how tired I was when I was booking from one side of the field to the other it’s like a deeper like energy that you draw from oh crap I got a go like this dude’s about to hit me like I got to get running and I would go and then as soon as I threw the ball as soon as I passed it it was like and then it all hits you and you realize how tired you are yeah I I think what I’m trying to say is it’s good to have you have to have a goal but it’s also good to have something you’re running away from you know like something you don’t like I don’t want if I don’t do this I like this is going to happen and I can’t let that happen so I have to do this it’s like a driving force it’s like in some ways it’s almost a goal in itself you know this is my goal I want to get to but my goal is also not to go back to this it’s like you have a driving force from behind and a driving force pulling you forward and you know yeah that goal might or that that that not necess fear but that like uh that driving force behind you might be like I don’t want to go back to my job you know I I got to make this work this is my goal for my my business but I there’s no way I’m going back to that I would say that’s actually kind of been one of the things with me is um when I started up there’s a lot of uh there’s a lots there’s lots of reasons to pursue what I was trying to do in starting my business but there was also more reasons um to pursue it because of what I didn’t because of what would happen if I didn’t yeah you know cuz like if I pursuing that has its benefits but pursuing it uh to pursuing it to combat what I don’t want to happen if I don’t you know then it’s like a it was a big thing like I didn’t want to go back to my job actually that’s the story how I started is like a really interesting thing but that’s another that’ll be another day um if I haven’t already made its own thing yeah but uh yeah and I asked you earlier if you inspired anybody because um I’ve inspired certain people to be entrepreneurial or start businesses and it’s been kind of disappointing sometimes you know um because they there’s some people who think that like entrepreneurship is like this just like anybody can do it you can just hop in and you know a job I’m just apply I’m going to get the job and then I’m just going to make some money yeah I’m just going to like screw off all day and do nothing and make money and and then um you know I feel like people think sometimes it’s easier than it is and so I’ve inspired some people to like kind of pursue it and I’m like really rooting for them like yeah I’ll help you and I’m like getting them going and then it just go and then they just give up they don’t go anywhere because it’s harder than what they thought yeah you know and uh it was it was a little you know but whatever I’m not gonna expose who it was Alexis Alexis no I’m just kidding um but yeah and then another thought I had you know famous words from my favorite person on planet Earth Conor
McGregor um this is something he said that I also thought I thought it was really cool uh he was talking and he was kind of explaining like his motivation and he said that there’s so many people that believe in him that it’s almost a disservice to those people to not pursue what he’s pursuing because of all the people who are supporting him and um I think that’s something I experienc in in my circle is there’s so many people that uh support me and want to see me do well and um that really is like a driving factor to like keep keep going and I think it’s good and yeah yeah so um I guess I’m not really sure to wrap this up how do we come to a conclusion what’s the conclus okay let’s in the next five minutes let’s recap what we’ve okay deal I’ll tell Rachel five minutes oh she is she like she’s picking me up because we uh the Vans at the shop so we only had one vehicle so ah okay so we’re going to a parents house for dinner so ooh what are you guys having can I have some burgers starving the only thing I’ve had is a peanut butter half tiny peanut but butter and jelly sandwich over since 9:00 a.m. you made a tiny one or it was just you just made a little well Rachel Made bread and we were down to the last part of the bread and like tapered so my peanut butter jelly sandwich is like this big I know exactly what you’re talking about wa that’s like the end of the bread like the part that people hate kind well kind of but it’s the the bread just tapers out cuz she made it and it’s so thef yeah the loaf goes like this so the end pieces like the last five pieces are like this bigy yeah they’re like what you would at a restaurant when you’re sitting down like the little like like the crustable or whatever those nasty things are yeah yeah um so recap uh well I guess that depends on whether you’re going to make this a whole thing or you’re already at 2:30 I don’t think that’s going to be one episode I don’t think so I don’t know how you’re going to split that up here’s what I’ll say I’ll just say uh thanks Blake for joining the podcast I think we’ll end here you know I actually seen that a lot on a podcasts where they don’t really have like a super specific end they just kind of like music starts coming in and yeah they’re just like all right well thanks for coming on like yeah that’s how Nick bears are all the time he’s like well thanks for coming man I appreciate it like yeah thanks for having me yeah all right maybe we’ll do that all right all right well thanks Blake for uh coming on and uh talking with us yeah man thanks for having me I really appreciate it it’s been awesome
